How to Own What You Are Doing So You Achieve More and Better Yourself

with special guest Pete Cohen

Quote from Pete Cohen from Patti's Dobrowlski's podcast
Up Your Creative Genius
How to Own What You Are Doing So You Achieve More and Better Yourself

Pete works with teams and large groups to tackle corporate challenges, raise social awareness and build capability for the future. Connecting with others through his background in psychology, communication, music, business and technology to lead and marshal people from different functions, disciplines, organisations and sectors to work together on projects with a common purpose.

Pete’s client base ranges from big banks and telecommunication companies to emerging ventures in the digital product and renewable energy industries. He assembled and led cross-functional software development teams using agile and other methods to maintain focus on customer value and deliver impactful business outcomes.

Pete is also a musician, he performed in 13 countries over 20 years, releasing 5 albums co-written with my collaborator to critical acclaim. He has a deep understanding in how to create a sense of emotional safety that helps people move beyond what divides them to find common ground. Work, too, is a creative act, and he believes each of us has a valuable part to play in creating a more equitable shared future.


1:20 How Patti and Pete become friends

2:09 Pete’s background and his life journey

7:23 Pete’s 30 days kickstart challenge programme

10:52 Pete’s clubhouse podcast

13:36 MI365 coaching practice

15:54 Pete’s tip on how to connect with the future you

17:44 How Pete starts his day and his daily routine

23:31 How Pete’s parents influenced his mindset

26:08 Inspirational idols that Pete has in his life

29:52 Trust yourself and have faith

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Up Your Creative Genius

Patti Dobrowolski 00:03

Hello superstars. Welcome to the Up Your Creative Genius podcast where you will gain insight and tips to stomp on the accelerator and blast off to transform your business and your life. I’m your host, Patti Dobrowolski. And if this is your first time tuning in, then strap in because this is serious rocket fuel. Each week, I interview fellow creative geniuses to help you learn how easy it is to up your creative genius in any part of your life.

Hey, everybody, it’s Patti Dobrowolski with Up Your Creative Genius. Oh, my gosh, I have Pete Cohen today. Pete Cohen is my best friend, you need to know that he lives in the UK. He’s a coach. He’s an author. He’s the most amazing speaker, he will inspire an entire room of people to jump on their feet, you know, hold the duck on their head, you know, act wild and crazy and then have these amazing breakthroughs.

I have been in many room with you on clubhouse. I’ve been inspired by you from the moment I met you. And I am so thrilled to have you here. Pete, I know how busy your schedule is. So thanks for squeezing me in. Welcome.

Pete Cohen 01:20

Listen, it’s an absolute pleasure. I was just had a flashback when you were talking about me because you and I worked together in Nice. And we had a global audience. And there were interpreters.

Patti Dobrowolski 01:31

Yes, the translators in the translation booths. Yeah.

Pete Cohen 01:35

And I when I was talking, I was watching them. And they were moving their hands to so much. What are they doing?

Patti Dobrowolski 01:42

And thinking slow down, slow down, they have to translate slow down.

Pete Cohen 01:48

Yeah. But when I spoke to them and ask them, first off, they were Italian, which might not seem.

Patti Dobrowolski 01:53

That’s why their hands waving.

Pete Cohen 01:55

But they said we had to feel what you were saying. And that’s why we’re moving on.

Patti Dobrowolski 02:00

Yeah, I love that.

Pete Cohen 02:02

You know, that’s what I one of the things I love about you, Patti, you could speak in a different language. And I would still feel like, wow, it’s awesome.

Patti Dobrowolski 02:09

So I feel the same way about you, Pete. You’re just incredible. And so, you know, you have to tell me, how did you decide to do this? Like, you are so well known all over the UK and the world now. Right? You were known around the world a little bit.

But now, I mean, you had that coach bus that went around Britain, you know, just tell me tell the audience a little bit about your story from the beginning, how Pete Cohen and then how did it begin? And then what’s happening now? Okay, move us from time.

Pete Cohen 02:43

Okay, so I mean, we talk about pivoting, right, which is what your podcast is all about. And I think for me, I first made a pivot when I wanted to be an actor, you know, just like you, I had a big problem. I had a big problem with acting, it was learning lines twice, I’ve got two major roles in productions.

And both times different directors just said, look, it’s taking you too long to learn the lion. So we’re going to have to give that part to somebody else. And we’re going to give you a smaller role. So I always wanted to act, because I love to be on stage, I love to share, you know, it’s not that I want to be seen even though I did want to be seen for a long time.

Patti Dobrowolski 03:19


Pete Cohen 03:19

I want to share.

Patti Dobrowolski 03:20


Pete Cohen 03:20

And I’ve had that wonderful opportunity. I was on TV in the UK for 10 years, I had my own TV show, I’ve been published by the biggest publishers in the world. And I was then another guy, none of that none of that matters.

Now, probably like you like all of your listeners, we’ve had times where we have to pivot, but most of the times that pivots come because circumstances push us into the pivot, rather than we don’t have to wait for disaster or prognosis to decide, you know, to be different.

Patti Dobrowolski 03:51

Yes, it’s true. And I will say this, that you really have pivoted in a major way in your frame of mind and your mindset about who you are and why you’re here in the world. And so, you know, that was really an incredible change.

So, you know, you mentioned one little thing, which this is something we shared in common. In our early years, we really did strive to be seen, we wanted to be seen that was the most important thing. Don’t get me wrong. I love being seen. And I love being on stage. It’s incredible, right? To be able to share what it is in a big audience, like you do.

But you made a big mindset shift about that and tell me how did you get to this place where you’re more focused on what you can do to help other people okay and on yourself? Because that is a big part of your platform.

Pete Cohen 04:44

Well, I mean come on, Patti. I mean, you and I are very humble, right? We’re very, very humble people.

Patti Dobrowolski 04:50

I think you’re more humble than I am. I’m a Leo. I can’t help myself. I just get a little fool of myself sometimes. But yes, I’ll pull it back. Yes.

Pete Cohen 04:58

I don’t think so. I think you’re right Very, very humble and you get to an age, I think, where you realise that it’s not really about me. It’s about what I’m doing. Yeah, but it’s not. Let’s just be honest here, Patti, you know, I was a bit of a fraud for many years because I’ve been talking to people about I’m a coach. Right? Right.

That’s why do those people come to me? And it’s like, okay, where are you? Where do you want to go? Let’s sort this out. Let’s talk about the future. But if you ask me about the future, I hated the question. I remember someone saying to me a guy in America, he said, Come on, let’s talk about you in five years time, I said, I don’t want to talk about that.

Because I didn’t say this. I don’t have a clue what that looks like. But it was only through, as you know, my wife having a brain tumour not being given long to live, that my coach who was in Dallas at the time told me, you know, find people that are still alive and find out why. And then he said, Ask her what she’s going to do when she gets better.

I didn’t ask her that question for three years, then I remember exactly where I was. That day. I said to her, you know, kind of Rafael asked me to ask you, what do you want to do when you get better? And she cried? Because she wasn’t thinking about the future. So then guess what I did? I googled, I remember exactly where I was when I wrote the words.

Throw your future into my computer. Guess who came up? Patti Dobrowolski. Well, yeah, who would have believed because I’m quite ballsy in terms of she watched your TED talk. She drew the future, the future that she drew, that is the house that we’re in right now. you know.

Patti Dobrowolski 06:28

Yeah. Yeah.

Pete Cohen 06:29

And what was even more amazing about all of this isn’t, I then reached out to your agent, your agent contacted you? You came on my podcast. But you made a few comments about the way it looked afterwards.

Patti Dobrowolski 06:41

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I forgot. Something in the background there. You need, like riots backfire? Yeah, right, right.

Pete Cohen 06:50

But we became great friends, you came over to the UK, you spoken at both of my big conferences, you’ve been an amazing friend.And you have taught me you are massively Pivotal, in what the work I now do, which is about knowing who you want to be an identifying because what got you here, it ain’t got to get you there. Now, if you don’t draw your future, you don’t form a relationship with your future. Just literally stop and go. And go back. Go back.

Patti Dobrowolski 07:23

I love that. For those of you that are just listening, he held up a stop sign just then when he said Stop, you know, because I think unless you know your history, right, and so know where you came from, my friend when he would say, you know, you have to know the past, in order to project into the future, you have to understand yourself from both ends of the spectrum.

But what you did this year was you did this 28 Day Challenge 30 Day Challenge? 28 day, yeah, 30 day challenge for people so that they could step into their future self not. I love that challenge number one, because every day he gives you like, you know, 10 minutes to Pete. So you’re inspired, and then something that you have to do.

And here’s what I loved about it the most was, you were obsessed. You know, last year, you were obsessed about the future. And in it showed up in so many ways. It showed up in such beautiful detail in that 30 Day Challenge, which I love. I love that. And this is who you are, right? Tell me about how into so you weren’t into the future, right in the past, then you were into the future? And tell me now, like, how has that changed you as a person to be looking into the future?

Pete Cohen 08:42

Well, when you talk when you were just talking, I went through a few different emotions when you were talking about that. And I really hit me that there is fear that is attached. There must have been fear for me in thinking about the future in an inspirational way.

You know, because if you put yourself out there and you say, Well, who knows what might happen, right? That was one thing. But the other thing I just reminded me of as a child, I was always full of energy.

And people would say, because I was always looking forward to something. You know, I’m not just talking about my birthday, or my Christmas or my opening the there was always something to be excited about.

Patti Dobrowolski 09:18

Yeah, yeah.

Pete Cohen 09:19

And that is the greatest quality of a human being is that do you want to keep going? There’s something in front of you. I want to do that. I want to do that. And if it’s something that I was talking to some people about this yesterday about, I think I can’t remember who said it but about being a rebel. I was a rebel, but I didn’t have a cause.

Yeah, you know, and a Rebel Without a Cause as most of us rebelled against what we were told because it was nonsense. It was about thinking like everybody else. So I was just rebelling, but then I realised that a cause and my cause is to get as many people inspired about growing and contribute making a difference. And connecting you know me.

Patti Dobrowolski 09:55

Yeah, that’s right. That’s right. That’s right.

Pete Cohen 09:59

Yeah, two pieces. All right, well, and

Patti Dobrowolski 10:01

The thing that I think is fascinating is that then during the pandemic, you decided to get on clubhouse. And clubhouse for those of you that are listening have never been on clubhouse. Let me just say that it’s podcast in every moment, right?

You’re always live on on stage and you have the opportunity to get on stage with people that you would never meet. Otherwise, I mean, they just showed up there in clubhouse.

And then what was fantastic as you took the mantle in clubhouse, and you became a moderator, and an extremely skilled moderator where people really are able to share and you listen so much better than anybody in the moderation, especially me, I always take tips on that listening. But tell me, what was that like for you in clubhouse?

Pete Cohen 10:52

Well, you know, clubhouse came into my life when my mum, probably one of the most difficult times of my life, you know, it was December last year that my mum was diagnosed with lung cancer. I got on clubhouse in January.

And it was escapism as much as anything else, because I wanted something to do. But I was really trained very well, my dad, my dad has always said, you know, you’ve met my dad, he’s not here anymore, either. He said, You know, it’s not what you know, it’s who you know. So I want to build a network, but I want to shine a light on and he was a Rotarian for over 50 years. Rotary.

The motto of a Rotarian is you seek basically you seek service over self. So I want to serve. I love it. People think oh, how do you do that? It’s really difficult. It’s not difficult I’ve ever done. It’s like, you know, it’s like, hey, set you in a room and clubhouse is like you’re in a club, and then someone comes in, hey, hey, Listen, party’s over here. She did not talk draw your future. Hey, come over. Oh, hey, you over there. This person is over that. It’s like, what fun?

Patti Dobrowolski 11:58

That’s what you really are. You’re a connector. And so you’ll place this person with that person, you’ll get this person with that service. You know, you took the guy in Africa who had an orphanage, and you raised all this money for him. Right? You did a 24 hour like a Kickstarter online. It was amazing.

Pete Cohen 12:17

We did a leadership conference, which which was, yeah, look, it’s amazing, right? When you know who you are. And you know what you stand for? Even if you don’t know who you are, you don’t know what you stand for. One of the greatest things you can do is do something for other people.

Patti Dobrowolski 12:30


Pete Cohen 12:30

When we talk about pivoting, you know, pivoting for me is about collaborating, you know, it’s about what can we do now? What can’t we do? What is possible? What is the world need right now? And I think no, I mean, party, I don’t mind standing. I am really concerned about the world right now. I mean, I am genuinely concerned. I have never ever, ever seen so much polarity and thought, you know, I never seen I mean, you’re obviously in America, you see, even more than we do.

Patti Dobrowolski 12:57

In Texas, think about the polarity right here, right?

Pete Cohen 13:01

And it’s gonna I hate to say this is not something I think it’s going to get worse. But ultimately, the question I’m going to say is, Well, who do I need to be doing this? And who do I need to surround myself with?

Because if you don’t pivot in that direction, yeah, then I think you’re going to get lost and call out and you’re going to get caught up in a whole load of hype and whole load of, there’s never been a time in history, with more uncertainty, more fear, more worry, more doubt, more restrictions.

And I just think ultimately, we have to decide to up our creative genius and decide what is the future that I want to create?

Patti Dobrowolski 13:36

Yes, and how can I do it every single day, get up and do something for good every day, you know, kindly go out and spread whatever it is and you’re all around, you know, your coaching practice is huge.

MI365 You know, that’s 365 you are every single day, helping people to improve and helping people to start their business get it going say a little about that.

So people understand what you do now, not just clubhouse, but I am because that is a big focus of yours. But also, you know, tell us about your coaching practice.

Pete Cohen 14:14

Well, I’m very proud of my brand, you know, this brand that we created seven years ago, I wanted to get me 365 But that had already gone. That’s right. It was gone. I got my because the am I the M stands for you know, the mindset What is your mindset on you know, the motivation.

The AI is really the important letter, the AI stands for the identity of the person that you want to be and being inspired about being that person and having a go at doing that for 365 days. That’s a long time for a lot of people. But if you really focused on being a better version of you, and you knew that was MI365 is really about identifying with who you could be because as my background is in sports, I Psychology if an athlete comes to, I’d love to hear what you think about this, let me just explain.

If an athlete comes to me and I say, Okay, what do you want? They might be able to articulate what they want. But sometimes they need a bit of help, not to articulate it, but to see it. What do you want? So, okay, I want to win the World Medal, the Olympic gold. Okay, how do you know that you have? And of course, they have to go?

Well, because I can see it. Okay. Okay, that person there? I’m sorry. That’s not you. That is not you. That could be you. Right? It’s there for you. But who is that person? Because that person is saying yes to things that you’re saying no to? And is saying no to things you’re saying yes to? Unless you build a relationship to that person? Yeah, then it’s going to be difficult. It’s going to be really, really difficult. I wonder, what’s your thought about that?

Patti Dobrowolski 15:54

I want to, I want to ask you. So yes, we know this from research that if you connect yourself to a future, you you have 42% better chance of success in achieving your goals. That’s the stats on it. When you connect with future you, no matter how you do it, whether you get to have conversations with them, or you write them a letter or you draw a picture, right?

All these things help you to do that. But what I want to know is, how do you actually connect with future you? How do you do it? You know, how does it impact how you show up in the world? And what you choose to do?

Pete Cohen 16:29

It’s such a great question. Because in therapy, right, you know, you and I have had therapy, we’ve given therapy, the exercise where they say, you know, if you could go back to your younger self, what would you say, you know, if I’d go back to my younger self, I’d say you’re brilliant, don’t worry about any of this stuff.

Patti Dobrowolski 16:47

That’s right.

Pete Cohen 16:48

You’re gonna if you just need to go for it, just get on with it, you know, your future is going to be so bright. But then we carry a future self. And I think most of us are living a future that we don’t want.

You know, I really do believe that. And I think if you wake up to the fact that there is a future you that’s already out there, you just haven’t connected with it. So it’s like, building a relationship, building a friendship. And I envisaged my future self talking to me, I think to myself, what would you do? You know, that’s how I do it my future?

Patti Dobrowolski 17:17

And then you write that down? Do you write it down?

Pete Cohen 17:21

Yeah, definitely.

Patti Dobrowolski 17:23

Do you do any kind of meditation or anything like that? What’s a day in the life of Pete Cohen and I kind of want to get an idea for that. So I’m gonna want to know that, you know, how did you how did you grow into this? And then what does it look like? So I can pull a few of those tips into my world. So you wake up at like, 3am?

Pete Cohen 17:44

Well, it’s definitely not everybody’s cup of tea, what I do so it all starts off with a good night’s sleep. And sleep has always been a bit of a challenge to me. But you know, I look to go to bed at around nine o’clock, right? And then I will wake up at four. My wife said to me other day, why are you getting up at four?

Because if I had a late night, I said, because it’s just a routine, you know? I need to stick to my routine. So I get up at four, I come downstairs, I put on the hot water. So I can have a cup of coffee, I drink a whole lot of water. And the first thing I do Patti is, I just love to learn.

So I’m pick things I’m interested in and I make notes on it. Then at five o’clock, I’m going to access what I’ve got my exercise equipment right here. You know, I love movement, unlike you. I mean, you’re a massive movement, advocate and life is motion.

I don’t always feel like it. But I got to move I got to sweat. And then I’ll just do a little meditation. I’ve got a journal that we have. And then I go live on clubhouse. And that to me is such a privilege because I’m then I’m so ready. I’ve had two hours to get ready to then talk. And it’s I’m vibrating. I’ve learned something I want to teach it. I want to share it.

Patti Dobrowolski 18:04

Yeah, yeah. Sweat already. You’re sweaty.

Pete Cohen 18:54

Yeah, I make a cup of coffee. I sit with her for a few minutes. And then I’m bang. Let’s go. And then that’s what I do. I know what I love to do. And I love to help people work out when is it that you feel most alive? And I feel most alive right now just talking to you.

You know, it’s like I there’s nowhere else on earth. I’d rather be right now than just being here knowing that someone will listen to this. And someone will go Oh, that’s interesting. I never thought of that like that before.

Patti Dobrowolski 19:21

Yeah, yeah. I love that. So So then you’re on clubhouse, and you’re on there for a while, but then you start to do coaching with people don’t usually isn’t part of your day doing one to one coaching.

Pete Cohen 19:32

Only a bit. I used to do a lot. You know, I have a group that you have been a part of. I mean, you’ve effect I mean, how does that feel for you? Come on. Let me let me throw this back on you.

Yeah, our relationship is pretty unique, right in terms of the impact that you’ve had on my life, my wife’s life, the impact I’ve had on your life, all the people I coach, all of the people that have been through that been through the 30 day programme, have seen you because you’re a part of that.

All of the people that are on my elite coaching programme they all know you because they’ve been through another one of your courses. What’s that like for you, knowing the impact that you’ve had on people? I’m a lot of people, you don’t even know those people. They’ve you’ve never met them?

Patti Dobrowolski 20:10

Yeah, you know, I never I think I don’t think about that I don’t think about the impact that I have, I just know that there’s more people to reach. So I’m always looking for the person that is waiting out there like Siona, right?

Who is trying to change the world by getting them to stop making plastic toys, who’s 10 years old with their own podcast? I mean, come on, the people that I met through, you are just incredible. So what I know is that I’ll randomly get these notice, you know, an email from somebody almost every single day of somebody who’s seen me somewhere, or watch the video or done that. And I think to myself.

Okay, good. If that’s my legacy universe, I’m all in, you just show me the next door you want me to walk through. And if it continues to be this door, and I’m expanding it, that’s the way to do it. And I think that’s what I’d love about what you’ve been doing is you continue to modify and change and pivot with what your audience needs, what your community is asking for what you’re listening for, which that’s so essential.

I think, when you’re building your brand, and you’re coming up with the identity of who you are and what you bring to the world.

Pete Cohen 21:24

Well, you’ve just given me something just in terms of I really want to celebrate this year, the people that I’ve been on this journey with, so I’m going to celebrate them whether that’s on clubhouse or with through a podcast, because what a privileged position to be, have a positive impact in people’s lives. I think that I know mine, I know, I’m not going to be here forever. But while I’m here, I definitely want to just do what I can.

Patti Dobrowolski 21:52


Pete Cohen 21:52

With what I have and what I have. I mean, you know, Napoleon Hill wrote about this idea that of retirement that people buy into this idea. And then they’re focusing on something which is the end. And I think, yes, that’s why people die soon after they retire. That’s right. I don’t want to these are my best years, right?

And right you for us, these should be our best years, because we’ve got all of this experience that we’ve been through. Yeah, we can share that with others. So I just feel like I’ve just got started when people ask me, What have you done, I think, I don’t really want to tell you, but I will, because you’re obviously interested.

Let me tell you why you’re gonna do. Well, and it’s part of the essence of you. And this is something that I think is essential to changing yourself and changing your mindset. Like, really, to become a better person a better you, every single moment requires that you’re grateful. So let me just say back to your question that you said to me, I’m so grateful, like you that I have the opportunity to serve, and that I’m alive, that I have a body that I’m healthy, that I can go out and serve people in any way that I can.

And if that’s true, and even if it’s not true, if I don’t feel great, I’m still going to get on the phone, I’m still going to get in front of an audience. I’m still going to do stuff. Because like you do, we’re about service. So where did that idea of service you talked about your dad being a Rotarian. But where else did you learn about service? My parents?

Patti Dobrowolski 23:24

They were your inspirator your mom was so incredible. Your dad both of them? They were so incredible

Pete Cohen 23:31

Yeah. I mean, and also, you know, that whole thing of what’s been passed on to me I want to pass on to others. I don’t know if you feel the same thing, but it’s almost like it’s an honour that people have poured into me they believed in me when I didn’t believe in myself people who aren’t here anymore. It’s like, wow, they’ve left something with me.

I’m getting goosebumps as I’m saying this I can feel my hands even my hands are changing colour. You know, in the the idea of look what has been given to me I want to give it to you, you can do what you want with it, but I’m still gonna give it you know, and I think it does take many people a certain kind of age maybe to get to to realise I think more and more people are waking up to being able to realise that life is at its best when you are contributing, and you’re growing.

Patti Dobrowolski 24:16


Pete Cohen 24:16

I was thinking before we came on today a party that was that I want what I do to speak louder than me. You know what I’m doing when no one else is looking who I’m being it’s not holding a flashlight over myself. You know, I’m watching myself. I’m not judging myself. I’m just looking out for myself. Because no one else can look out for me in the way that I can look out for myself. You know?

Patti Dobrowolski 24:37

Yeah, I I love that. Nobody could look out for me or the way I can look out for myself.

Pete Cohen 24:45

Yeah, I mean, you do you always look out for me. You just be you always look out for me. You’re very intuitive. You sent me messages. Sometimes I was thinking about you because that’s another thing. When you were talking I was also thinking about how you’re very intuitive, I would say Spiritual, which is you are guided by something that is bigger than you, you know, you have faith in the universe that everything will turn out okay.

And that’s very warming to me because it’s nice to be reminded of that, that there’s, whether it’s true or not, I’m not here to prove that to anybody. Yeah, that’s what I do believe. But it’s not yes minded times.

Patti Dobrowolski 25:21

Well, and I think that’s what creates the positive energy that you exude is this place where you understand, you have a calling, you have a purpose, you’ve got a service, you’re going to use the genetic encoding that you got from your parents, from their parents, from their parents, from whoever else, in your environment from Rafa who helped you to become your best self.

Now you have to hold the mantle. And when you hold that mantle, who do you look to inspire you out in the world, like you always quote Napoleon Hill, you quote, other people that have inspired you. And so who in your sphere is inspiring you now, who’s inspiring you now?

Pete Cohen 26:08

Um, well, I was just thinking I have to go back. Oprah. I’m sorry. I mean, Oprah was a massive game changer for I was watching Oprah in the early 90s. And my friends were going, why are you watching Oprah Winfrey?

Patti Dobrowolski 26:20

She is fantastic. Yeah, well, I love you both, too. And I was thinking too, about what you were saying. Because I think this is it. It’s often when you are up against something that you find you must need to make these big pivots right in what you’re doing. It might be your career, might be your focus, it might be whatever is happening.

And it’s the discomfort that forces you out of who you are, to step into who you could be, and you have to, you know, feel the discomfort of it. I think of the times where you felt uncomfortable, and we’ve shared a conversation about it.

And then you have totally recommitted to something new, which I think that is an amazing thing about evolution is that, you know, as beings in the world, we have the opportunity when we come up against ourselves in a hard place to evolve. And so what do you do when you get into that stuck place in yourself or your business or with a person? What do you do?

Pete Cohen 26:22

And she was bringing people to the table, that I never would have heard of people like Caroline Mays, who’s this medical intuitive. Yes. Just saw Dr. Phil, you know, yeah. But now who inspires me? Well, obviously one of those people you’ve met, you know, that’s my wife, you know, you know, she, she’s incredible.

She doesn’t realise just the impact that he has on this world and what she’s been through and what she does now in terms of create what she created for you. And Julie, this beautiful quillt, you know, I love the video that you sent when she sent it to you, you asked her to make something so she never would have imagined herself years ago.

And I think that’s also another important point, because she wouldn’t have imagined it. Yes, that she had to go through something in order to find out really what her calling was. And her calling is to create. Yeah, you know, and, again, I don’t think you realise just how much of an impact you’ve had on her. We love you, Patti, you know. I remember hearing someone recently talking about oh, yeah, it was Mel Robbins, actually, who also is an amazing lady.

Patti Dobrowolski 28:36

Yeah, she’s fantastic. 12345 go

Pete Cohen 28:40


Patti Dobrowolski 28:43

That’s good.

Pete Cohen 28:44

You wait, she talks about being stuck. I saw a video with her talking about she goes, it’s good to be stuck because it’s a signal to do something, but you don’t stay stuck. It’s a signal to move. And I think I’ve always known that. It’s that when I feel stuck, I’ve got to do something. I don’t understand people that when they get stuck, then I’m kind of contradicting myself.

Because sometimes if I feel stuck, I’ll distract myself, but I’m getting much better at going. Now. Don’t do something that is productive. Don’t waste time. You know, I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with looking out the window and putting your feet up and all of that stuff.

Patti Dobrowolski 29:19

Taking a walk, you know, to clear your head and figure out what it is.

Pete Cohen 29:24

Yeah, I’m having faith and I do have a lot more faith actually over the last few years or if I’m stuck on something is to leave it.

Patti Dobrowolski 29:30


Pete Cohen 29:31

So you know what? That’s again, Napoleon Hill used to call it he used to call it his sub. Hey sub, you know, asking his subconscious mind to give you before you go to sleep at night. Hey, sub? Can you get out for me? So when I wake up in the morning, the answer will be there.

Patti Dobrowolski 29:45

Write down a little piece of paper, stick it under your pillow. Yeah, any kind of tips like that. I love those.

Pete Cohen 29:52

Having faith. He was a very spiritual man and he endured a lot of criticism from people when my book came out talking about sexual transmutation, talking about cosmic hammer force talking about higher intelligence, speaking out against religion, speaking our education. And that’s why we’re someone like him being able to bring his work to remind people, I think it’s important.

Patti Dobrowolski 30:15

Yes, I think some of the thinkers from the past, they were able to spend the time to do some deep thinking, and they figured out a way to be able to support themselves or not, and still think these things and work them through. And I often think that we don’t get quite enough time to do that.

And there’s a whole book on really what the internet has done in terms of our thinking, and our children’s thinking about how it’s such a short and shallow attention span, that you’ve never really dropped down.

And I think you’ve been very good about finding a way to drop down into yourself, whether you’re on a train going to give a keynote, or whether you’re, you know, having I know it’s a fast drop down. But you definitely drop in, in that morning time to bring forth such great things.

Pete Cohen 31:09

Well, you know, so two things that came to mind when you said that the first one is just going back to MI365. My goal has always been I didn’t know at the beginning, but it’s to get people to own what they’re doing. I want people to own it. I want it to be theirs. I don’t want it to be mine. Right. Your progress, your fitness, your health, your business that you did. I might have been a guide, I have helped you, but you were the one and I want people to own

Patti Dobrowolski 31:33


Pete Cohen 31:33

They do.

Patti Dobrowolski 31:34


Pete Cohen 31:34

That was the first thing. The other thing that you just pointed out there about dropping down. I know I have a talent. And I’m sure other people do that getting people to drop down themselves by asking them a few questions. So you ask questions that people that go, no one’s ever asked me that question. And you get people to really go to a place of real importance and real significance. The heart. The core? Yes. You know what?

Patti Dobrowolski 32:01

Well, I love that. Because that’s so true. You ask the best questions, but where do they come from? So you tap your creative genius in this very unique way. But I wonder, well, how does that drop in for you? So how do you know the question to ask?

Pete Cohen 32:20

I just trust myself. I just I don’t know whether I’ve always been like that. I don’t it’s such a great question. I don’t really think I’ve ever given it any. My initial answer was from just a higher place. It’s coming to me.

Patti Dobrowolski 32:33

Yeah. So it’s just coming through? That’s right. It’s sitting in the warehouse.

Pete Cohen 32:40

Yeah. And I’m not Yeah, I’m not. So again, a massive connection between the two of us because you talk about up your creative genius. I don’t know whether it was you it might have been actually that just made me think what does that word mean? Genius. And then I looked at it and it doesn’t mean it really means the moral authority. Yeah, within a human being that voice. And the Romans believed every house had a genius. You know, this is a house.

Patti Dobrowolski 33:09

That’s right. That’s right.

Pete Cohen 33:10

Who are you listening to?

Patti Dobrowolski 33:11

He’s pointing to his body. So if you’re not watching this, then he’s pointing to your body is your house. And it really is, it’s your vehicle, right? For bringing through whatever comes to you. And when you trust yourself, then what comes to you. This is what you’re saying. What comes to you then comes out of your mouth, you trusted enough to say it?

Pete Cohen 33:32

Well, anyone who’s listened to the podcast, right the way through, you’ve obviously been listening to the genius, because there is another part of you that maybe there’s been points where you thought, Oh, I’ve heard enough of this.

I’ll go and do something else. No, there’s something in you that is engaged and you want to get to the end. You want to finish what you’ve started. Yeah, we just don’t live in a world where we’re really encouraged to, were not encouraged to be free free thinkers.

Patti Dobrowolski 33:56

No, no, not at all. We were encouraged to be little lambs, following the sheep following everybody else going off, and then dropping off the edge of the cliff like that Dilbert cartoon. You know, I remember that. I say that for a long time. Like, don’t be a sheep. But now Pete, how can people connect with what you’re doing right now?

How can they connect with you? I know I’m gonna put it all in the show notes. But what are you doing in January, you’re doing something really cool, right? You’re doing this stop something. Start something, just say a little bit about this. Although I think you’ll probably be a little bit later. You’ll be in February. So I would say in the future, let’s go. So you get to do start something stop something. And that’ll continue, right.

Pete Cohen 34:39

Yeah. So basically this year we had 7000 People go through our kickstart programme, which is free. Anyone can do that. I’m sure you just put the link in there. But this year, we’re doing a programme where anyone can join at any time where we are encouraging people to form a relationship to where they want to be with their health, their energy, their relationships, their welfare work.

Who is that person? Right? Because they’re not you. They’re a part of you. But there’s some work to do to become this person. What is it that you need to start doing? What is it? That we’re providing an environment where people can actually go to work on putting the things in play going beyond the honeymoon period of studying something for a few weeks, get on a streak, become a different person. And obviously, I’ve already asked you Patti to be a part of this.

Patti Dobrowolski 35:26

Oh, yeah, this, look at this. Anything I love that.

Pete Cohen 35:30

Can’t say this is a chess piece of the statue of David. You know, listen, Michelangelo carved that out that piece of marble. There were famous sculptures who looked at it and discarded. It said it’s got too many fractions in it. But he did it. He did it. Why he saw what he wanted. He was asked how did you do it?

He goes, I just got rid of what didn’t need to be there. We all have that we can all carve it out. The greatest thing, what will be your greatest achievement? Not what has what will be? Will it not be who you decide to become so?

Patti Dobrowolski 36:05

Yes, I love it. This is going to be so great. And I love you so much that you spent time with us today because this was incredible. This little golden drops that are dropping in. So you go back and listen to it over and over again.

Follow Pete Cohen, get into a clubhouse and listen to him get in one of his rooms. Let him inspire you because it will change your life. I know it changed mine. And I’m so grateful to you, Pete for everything you and Hannah have brought into the world and into my world. Really just amazing. Thank you so much.

Pete Cohen 36:40

Thank you.

Patti Dobrowolski 36:41

And I will look forward to more opportunities for adventure with you Pete Cohen let’s go let’s do this shall we? Thanks so much for listening today. Be sure to DM me on Instagram your feedback or takeaways from today’s episode on up your creative genius. Then join me next week for more rocket fuel.

Remember, you are the superstar of your universe and the world needs what you have to bring. So get busy. Get out and up your creative genius. And no matter where you are in the universe, here’s some big love from yours truly Patti Dobrowolski and the up your creative genius podcast. That’s a wrap.

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